overall vista bugs

I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.

Jack K wrote:

I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.

There are certainly bugs, but Vista is generally running reliably for us. We have had no BSOD or other major crashes. The driver problems are annoying, but are understandable. My primary concern continues to be the incredibly poor design of many of the user interfaces. Windows Explorer and the "security" features are especially bad. Microsoft really needs to re-think the user interfaces and use designs that are clean, functional, simple and overall user friendly. Robbie

"Jack K" <Jack K@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.

I guess everyone's experience is different. It's been rock solid for me on my laptop. Every driver found, no problems, no one single blue screen. My desktop took a little more work to find drivers, but I've gotten everything except my HD Tuner to work and it is quite solid too.
My impression is that it works well on 'common oem boxes' (mine are Dells), but struggles with more 'put together' boxes, particularly with more bleeding edge technology like SLI.
Makes sense -- make sure the masses work first.
Tom

I agree. And I just read on another site that MS is 'testing the waters' with a $ 449 US retail at release. Also, just read that SP3, a major update being released 1st half of 2007 and rumor has it MS is working on a SP4 for XP. Just how far out is a reliable, functional and friendly Vista? BTW, try using the search function to find files.... a real 'E Ticket' ride. :)
"Robert Robinson" wrote:

My primary concern continues to be the incredibly poor design of many of the user interfaces. Windows Explorer and the "security" features are especially bad. Microsoft really needs to re-think the user interfaces and use designs that are clean, functional, simple and overall user friendly. Robbie

Just find them and report them. MS will get them fixed.
"Jack K" <Jack K@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.

Take the pricing with a grain of salt. There are seven sku's and only the Ultimate edition would be more than XP Pro full is today.
"Jack K" wrote in message

I agree. And I just read on another site that MS is 'testing the waters' with a $ 449 US retail at release. Also, just read that SP3, a major update being released 1st half of 2007 and rumor has it MS is working on a SP4 for XP. Just how far out is a reliable, functional and friendly Vista? BTW, try using the search function to find files.... a real 'E Ticket' ride. :)
"Robert Robinson" wrote:
My primary concern continues to be the incredibly poor design of many of the user interfaces. Windows Explorer and the "security" features are especially bad. Microsoft really needs to re-think the user interfaces and use designs that are clean, functional, simple and overall user friendly. Robbie

No propblems on my installation... I agree, it seems to be better supported on more common systems, not the cutting edge. I works just fine on my Dell Inspiron 6000. I only got one BSOD one time when resuming from sleep. Vista found all my drivers, except one for my phone modem and one for the audio. Windows Update found the drivers for both very easily. I know I only have 512mb memory, but although startup was pretty fast with nothing running(just after install) after installing a few programs that run at startup, it has become very slow. That is the only problem I have that I would like to see fixed: improved performance. -- Robert Firth


"Jack K" wrote:

I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:17:02 -0700, Jack K <Jack K@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.

Jack, Did you upgrade an XP installation or did you perform a clean install?

Beta's released with bugs?! Say it ain't so! :)
Bugs are a natural part of a beta program; be it from Microsoft or some individual software designer. You need to report the bugs and the "ugly" stuff you find to MS. That will help in the development and help the software.
Personally, I've been using Vista for quite a while as well, and I find it a GREAT OS. Even in Beta stage.
--------------------------------------------------------------- Dustin Harper Vista Help and Knowledge Base: http://www.vistarip.com
"milleron" wrote in message

On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:17:02 -0700, Jack K <Jack K@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.
Jack, Did you upgrade an XP installation or did you perform a clean install?

vs 2005 was stable by the betas(other than the c++ portion which still aint stable) "Dustin Harper" wrote in message

Beta's released with bugs?! Say it ain't so! :)
Bugs are a natural part of a beta program; be it from Microsoft or some individual software designer. You need to report the bugs and the "ugly" stuff you find to MS. That will help in the development and help the software.
Personally, I've been using Vista for quite a while as well, and I find it a GREAT OS. Even in Beta stage.
--------------------------------------------------------------- Dustin Harper Vista Help and Knowledge Base: http://www.vistarip.com
"milleron" wrote in message On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:17:02 -0700, Jack K <Jack K@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.
Jack, Did you upgrade an XP installation or did you perform a clean install?

"Dustin Harper" wrote in message

Beta's released with bugs?! Say it ain't so! :)
Bugs are a natural part of a beta program; be it from Microsoft or some individual software designer. You need to report the bugs and the "ugly" stuff you find to MS. That will help in the development and help the software.
Personally, I've been using Vista for quite a while as well, and I find it a GREAT OS. Even in Beta stage.

I think the issue is that most bugs and ugliness is so obvious that MS didn't need an open beta to find them. In short all MS team are probably busy enough finding problem they know about and finishing features that they didn't need to have an open beta that early in the development process.
For me the bug I'm finding seem to be so gross and obvious that I'm pretty sure thousands of people already reported all the quirks and miss functionality that its a waist of time to report them.
Stephan

--------------------------------------------------------------- Dustin Harper Vista Help and Knowledge Base: http://www.vistarip.com
"milleron" wrote in message On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:17:02 -0700, Jack K <Jack K@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.
Jack, Did you upgrade an XP installation or did you perform a clean install?

They do admit that some of the features are still a work in progress. The release date was pushed back a couple months, and they are scambling to get more work done with it. Some features are still very much in pre-mature almost alpha stage, while others are nearly complete.
I can see where you're coming from with some things being so obvious. But, most of the obvious stuff has been noted by MS as to being still in development, so not to expect it to work (System Restore, for example).
--------------------------------------------------------------- Dustin Harper Vista Help and Knowledge Base: http://www.vistarip.com
"Stephan Schaem" wrote in message

"Dustin Harper" wrote in message Beta's released with bugs?! Say it ain't so! :)
Bugs are a natural part of a beta program; be it from Microsoft or some individual software designer. You need to report the bugs and the "ugly" stuff you find to MS. That will help in the development and help the software.
Personally, I've been using Vista for quite a while as well, and I find it a GREAT OS. Even in Beta stage.
I think the issue is that most bugs and ugliness is so obvious that MS didn't need an open beta to find them. In short all MS team are probably busy enough finding problem they know about and finishing features that they didn't need to have an open beta that early in the development process.
For me the bug I'm finding seem to be so gross and obvious that I'm pretty sure thousands of people already reported all the quirks and miss functionality that its a waist of time to report them.
Stephan

--------------------------------------------------------------- Dustin Harper Vista Help and Knowledge Base: http://www.vistarip.com
"milleron" wrote in message On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:17:02 -0700, Jack K <Jack K@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.
Jack, Did you upgrade an XP installation or did you perform a clean install?

Formatted drives using SATA 150. I did not rec'v any BSOD's. As observed by the many positive remarks, I agree that Vista was rock soild; but so has XP. The functionallity and compatability issues with MS sister software, particularly using x64, are an example why I feel it is too early for public beta release. It wil be interesting to read the next weeks 'ed ops' technicals re: the GP LH release.
"milleron" wrote:

Jack, Did you upgrade an XP installation or did you perform a clean install?

Major DITTO....! well put. Jack K
"Stephan Schaem" wrote:

"Dustin Harper" wrote in message Beta's released with bugs?! Say it ain't so! :)
Bugs are a natural part of a beta program; be it from Microsoft or some individual software designer. You need to report the bugs and the "ugly" stuff you find to MS. That will help in the development and help the software.
Personally, I've been using Vista for quite a while as well, and I find it a GREAT OS. Even in Beta stage.
I think the issue is that most bugs and ugliness is so obvious that MS didn't need an open beta to find them. In short all MS team are probably busy enough finding problem they know about and finishing features that they didn't need to have an open beta that early in the development process.
For me the bug I'm finding seem to be so gross and obvious that I'm pretty sure thousands of people already reported all the quirks and miss functionality that its a waist of time to report them.
Stephan

--------------------------------------------------------------- Dustin Harper Vista Help and Knowledge Base: http://www.vistarip.com
"milleron" wrote in message On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:17:02 -0700, Jack K <Jack K@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
I have been testing both x86 and x64 since day betas were released to GP. In my 31 years business and personal experience with systems and software, IMHO, these betas have been released with toooooooo.... many problems. Vista at this stage is not fun; it's down right ugly.
Jack, Did you upgrade an XP installation or did you perform a clean install?